'madeleine'â Discrepancies and Observations - always worth a re-visit
Below are some points mentioned in Kate McCannâs book âMadeleineâ where she may not be 100% accurate. (Page numbers in the tables refer to the electronic version. In the text below the tables, the first page number is to the hardback version and the second is to the electronic version.)
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LUISA_COUTINHO.htm
Page 57/32 : âthat I ran back to our apartment for my camera to record the occasion. One of my photographs is known around the world now: a smiling Madeleine clutching armfuls of tennis balls.â
According to Rachel Oldfield, it was Jane Tanner who took the âTennis Balls photoâ. From her rogatory interview : âMadeleine and E**a and their sort of group came to have a tennis lesson as part of their creche activities, erm and Kate didnât have her camera and Jane was there then as well and Jane took some photos of both Madeleine and E**a, thatâs one, that poster of Madeleine with the tennis balls, that sort of pictures.â
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
Page 57/32 : âIn the afternoon Gerry and I decided to take the children down to the beach.â
Kate is clearly placing this event on Tuesday afternoon (May 1st). However, the creche records show Maddie signing out of the creche at 12:20 and back in at 14:30 for the rest of the afternoon (see the sheet for the twins). Monday(30th) is the more likely day for the visit to the beach, between 12:10 and 15:15.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id351.html
Page 65/36 : âWe heard later that theyâd been on a speedboat as well as a dinghy. Fiona told me sheâd spotted Ella there but not Madeleine.â
Jane Tanner says that Fiona Payne saw both Ella and Madeleine. From her rogatory interview âYeah, erm, I think we met Dave and Fi coming back and they said theyâd seen Madeleine and Exxxx on a boat, because theyâd taken the kids sailing that morning, so they said âOh weâve seen Madeleine and Exxxx on a boat down thereâ.â
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm
Page 66/37 : âI remember feeling fleetingly disappointed that we hadnât known they were all heading for the beach, as it might have been nice to have joined them, especially for the kids.â
Fiona Payne says that McCanns were told of the afternoonsâ beach arrangements. In her rogatory interview : âSo, again, thatâs generally why we didnât see them because they had things booked to do in the afternoon without the kids and we didnât. So, you know, we had asked them but, you know, they had tennis lessons or something. So, yeah, we all headed, we headed off and then, once we were on the beach, âŠ..â
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm
Page 66/37 : âI had finished my run by five-thirty at the Tapas area, where I found Madeleine and the twins already having their tea with Gerry. â
The creche records show that Kate signed Sean and Amelie out at 5:25 and Madeleine at 5:30.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id351.html
Page 68/37 : âShe asked if she could wear my engagement ring, which she often liked to doâ
Maybe not Kateâs engagement ring, but her wedding ring. From Kateâs diary, published in the News of the World 13/09/2008 : âI have clear recollections of that night. You were so tired. After your baths, you sat on my knee and put my wedding ring on your finger.â
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id166.html
Page 69/38 : âIn fact, weâd wondered about doing that [have a leisurely dinner in the sitting room or on the veranda] tonightâ
From ITVâs âOne Year Onâ programme, theyâd also considered all going to another restaurant, the Millennium. âIt was just because the walk was so long and we didnât have a buggy and the kids were tired by that time and I thought we were, you know we did talk about going up to the Millennium that night.â
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id453.html
Page 69/38 : âWe exited via the patio doors at the back, facing the restaurant and pool area, just as we had done the previous three nights.â And âAfter ordering his food, Gerry left to do the first check just before 9.05 by his watch. He entered the apartment via the patio doors â
And yet Gerryâs first statement states âThus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club [i.e. the apartment], using his key, the door being locked,â, though his second statement says âAt 21H05, âŠ.. He walked the normal route up to the back door, which being open he only had to slideâ. This is strange. By Thursday, the routine was that they checked via the patio doors which is why they left them open, and according to the book and Gerryâs second statement, that was how heâd come in. So why the confusion in Gerryâs first, detailed, statement?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm
Page 71/39 : âThen I noticed that the door to the childrenâs bedroom was open quite wide, not how we had left it. âŠ.. Suddenly it slammed shut, as if caught by a draught.â
âQuite wideâ or âcompletely openâ? Both Kate and Gerryâs first statements say âand saw right away that the childrenâs bedroom door was completely open,â. And there is no mention of the door slamming in any of their statements.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm
Page 72/40 : âEverybody sprinted back to our apartment, except for Dianne, who remained in the Tapas area, and Jane, who was away from the table seeing to her kids.â
âSprintedâ or walked? From David Payneâs rogatory interview : âand as we were walking up towards the flat she said err you know theyâve taken her and it was, you know, and I know thereâs been a controversy about what was actually said but you know that is very accurately what had been said.â
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id251.html
Page 75/42: âScared for them, too, I placed the palms of my hands on their backs to check for chest movement, basically, for some sign of life.â
It seems Matthew Oldfield had no problems seeing the twins were breathing without even entering the room. From his rogatory interview : ââYou could see the shapes and you could see they were breathing, youâd stop and look and you could see they were sort of breathing âŠ.. You could make out that it wasnât blankets and just something piled there, you could see the chest movingâ
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
Page 75/42 : âThen a lady appeared on a balcony â Iâm fairly certain this was about 11pm, before the police arrived â and, in a plummy voice, inquired, âCan someone tell me what all the noise is about?â I explained as clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl had been stolen from her bed, âŠ.â
The lady on the balcony, Mrs Pamela Fenn, makes no mentions of Kate speaking to her. In her statement, she says âMrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios.â
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm
Page 144/79 : âSaturdays had become family days: a bittersweet idea.â
Saturdays were the only days the creche was closed; this was the day that guests at the complex arrived and left.
Page 206/113 : âLeft with only the clothes we were wearing, we were all asked to leave the villa.â
Kate and Gerry will have chosen to leave the villa, as the search warrant states âmentioning that they can be present during the search and be accompanied or substituted by someone of confidence will be delivered.â
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DOGS_INSPECTION.htm#
Page 219/120 : âDid they really believe that a dog could smell the âodour of deathâ three months later from a body that had been removed so swiftly?â
While Kate is correct in that it takes time for chemical reactions to produce the âodour of deathâ that a cadaver dog would detect (90 minutes or less depending on local conditions) , there is no record of any suggestion that the body had been removed swiftly. Only Kate that has put forward this scenario.
Page 243/134 : âThen came the best bit. My lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu announced what police had proposed. If we, or rather I, admitted that Madeleine had died in an accident in the apartment, and confessed to having hidden and disposed of her body, the sentence Iâd receive would be much more lenient: only two years, he said, as opposed to what Iâd be looking at if I ended up being charged with homicide.â
This differs from the statement Philomena McCann gave to the press the next day, in a couple of ways.âThey tried to get her to confess to having accidentally killed Madeleine by offering her a deal through her lawyer â âif you say you killed Madeleine by accident and then hid her and disposed of the body, then we can guarantee you a two-year jail sentence or even lessâ.â . Firstly the book makes no mention of Kate [accidentally] killing Madeleine, and secondly thereâs no mention of any sort of deal either (the concept of the âplea bargainâ, as seen in many an American court-room drama, does not exist in Portugal). It sounds like, having given the family the âgreen light to voice their outrageâ, Kate is now backtracking in the book.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/sep/07/ukcrime.madeleinemccann
Page 328/182 : âJaneâs description had not been released to the public before the Irish witnesses made their statements), I am staggered by how alike they are, almost identical in parts.â
âAlmost identical in partsâ maybe, but the Smiths describe the skin colour as ânormalâ whilst Jane describes her sighting as âdark skinnedâ. Also the Smiths all describe the hair as short and brown or light-brown, while Jane Tanner describes it as âlong at the neckâ and âvery darkâ.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post534.html#p534
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post412.html#p412
Page 328/182 : âAs a lawyer once said to me, apropos another matter, âOne coincidence, two coincidences â maybe theyâre still coincidences. Any more than that and it stops being coincidence.'â
Coincidentally, the cadaver and blood dogs only signalled at various locations relating to the McCanns despite being also presented with a variety of locations relating to their friends and Robert Murat.
Coincidentally the only couple not at the Paraiso Restaurant on May 3rd were the only couple to report their child missing that evening.
Coincidentally the only evening during the week that a parent did a visual check of children that werenât their own was by Matthew Oldfield on the evening Madeleine disappeared, and coincidentally in doing so, he did not check the one McCann child that was missing.
Credits : The above points were initially compiled over several months by members of The Maddie Case Files forum.
Below are some points mentioned in Kate McCannâs book âMadeleineâ where she may not be 100% accurate. (Page numbers in the tables refer to the electronic version. In the text below the tables, the first page number is to the hardback version and the second is to the electronic version.)
Page 56/31 : âIn spite of what weâd been told about booking the Tapas restaurant, Rachael managed to get a table for nine at 8.30pm pencilled in for the rest of the week after having a word with the receptionist at the pool and Tapas area.â
Luisa Coutinhoâs statement says that the block booking was made by one of the male members of the party on Sunday; the rogatory interviews with the McCann party say it was made by Rachael on Monday. Unfortunately itâs impossible to ascertain which account is correct as the document to which Kate refers isnât amongst those released by the Portuguese authorities.http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LUISA_COUTINHO.htm
Page 57/32 : âthat I ran back to our apartment for my camera to record the occasion. One of my photographs is known around the world now: a smiling Madeleine clutching armfuls of tennis balls.â
According to Rachel Oldfield, it was Jane Tanner who took the âTennis Balls photoâ. From her rogatory interview : âMadeleine and E**a and their sort of group came to have a tennis lesson as part of their creche activities, erm and Kate didnât have her camera and Jane was there then as well and Jane took some photos of both Madeleine and E**a, thatâs one, that poster of Madeleine with the tennis balls, that sort of pictures.â
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
Page 57/32 : âIn the afternoon Gerry and I decided to take the children down to the beach.â
Kate is clearly placing this event on Tuesday afternoon (May 1st). However, the creche records show Maddie signing out of the creche at 12:20 and back in at 14:30 for the rest of the afternoon (see the sheet for the twins). Monday(30th) is the more likely day for the visit to the beach, between 12:10 and 15:15.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id351.html
Page 65/36 : âWe heard later that theyâd been on a speedboat as well as a dinghy. Fiona told me sheâd spotted Ella there but not Madeleine.â
Jane Tanner says that Fiona Payne saw both Ella and Madeleine. From her rogatory interview âYeah, erm, I think we met Dave and Fi coming back and they said theyâd seen Madeleine and Exxxx on a boat, because theyâd taken the kids sailing that morning, so they said âOh weâve seen Madeleine and Exxxx on a boat down thereâ.â
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm
Page 66/37 : âI remember feeling fleetingly disappointed that we hadnât known they were all heading for the beach, as it might have been nice to have joined them, especially for the kids.â
Fiona Payne says that McCanns were told of the afternoonsâ beach arrangements. In her rogatory interview : âSo, again, thatâs generally why we didnât see them because they had things booked to do in the afternoon without the kids and we didnât. So, you know, we had asked them but, you know, they had tennis lessons or something. So, yeah, we all headed, we headed off and then, once we were on the beach, âŠ..â
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm
Page 66/37 : âI had finished my run by five-thirty at the Tapas area, where I found Madeleine and the twins already having their tea with Gerry. â
The creche records show that Kate signed Sean and Amelie out at 5:25 and Madeleine at 5:30.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id351.html
Page 68/37 : âShe asked if she could wear my engagement ring, which she often liked to doâ
Maybe not Kateâs engagement ring, but her wedding ring. From Kateâs diary, published in the News of the World 13/09/2008 : âI have clear recollections of that night. You were so tired. After your baths, you sat on my knee and put my wedding ring on your finger.â
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id166.html
Page 69/38 : âIn fact, weâd wondered about doing that [have a leisurely dinner in the sitting room or on the veranda] tonightâ
From ITVâs âOne Year Onâ programme, theyâd also considered all going to another restaurant, the Millennium. âIt was just because the walk was so long and we didnât have a buggy and the kids were tired by that time and I thought we were, you know we did talk about going up to the Millennium that night.â
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id453.html
Page 69/38 : âWe exited via the patio doors at the back, facing the restaurant and pool area, just as we had done the previous three nights.â And âAfter ordering his food, Gerry left to do the first check just before 9.05 by his watch. He entered the apartment via the patio doors â
And yet Gerryâs first statement states âThus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club [i.e. the apartment], using his key, the door being locked,â, though his second statement says âAt 21H05, âŠ.. He walked the normal route up to the back door, which being open he only had to slideâ. This is strange. By Thursday, the routine was that they checked via the patio doors which is why they left them open, and according to the book and Gerryâs second statement, that was how heâd come in. So why the confusion in Gerryâs first, detailed, statement?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm
Page 71/39 : âThen I noticed that the door to the childrenâs bedroom was open quite wide, not how we had left it. âŠ.. Suddenly it slammed shut, as if caught by a draught.â
âQuite wideâ or âcompletely openâ? Both Kate and Gerryâs first statements say âand saw right away that the childrenâs bedroom door was completely open,â. And there is no mention of the door slamming in any of their statements.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm
Page 72/40 : âEverybody sprinted back to our apartment, except for Dianne, who remained in the Tapas area, and Jane, who was away from the table seeing to her kids.â
âSprintedâ or walked? From David Payneâs rogatory interview : âand as we were walking up towards the flat she said err you know theyâve taken her and it was, you know, and I know thereâs been a controversy about what was actually said but you know that is very accurately what had been said.â
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id251.html
Page 75/42: âScared for them, too, I placed the palms of my hands on their backs to check for chest movement, basically, for some sign of life.â
It seems Matthew Oldfield had no problems seeing the twins were breathing without even entering the room. From his rogatory interview : ââYou could see the shapes and you could see they were breathing, youâd stop and look and you could see they were sort of breathing âŠ.. You could make out that it wasnât blankets and just something piled there, you could see the chest movingâ
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
Page 75/42 : âThen a lady appeared on a balcony â Iâm fairly certain this was about 11pm, before the police arrived â and, in a plummy voice, inquired, âCan someone tell me what all the noise is about?â I explained as clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl had been stolen from her bed, âŠ.â
The lady on the balcony, Mrs Pamela Fenn, makes no mentions of Kate speaking to her. In her statement, she says âMrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios.â
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm
Page 144/79 : âSaturdays had become family days: a bittersweet idea.â
Saturdays were the only days the creche was closed; this was the day that guests at the complex arrived and left.
Page 206/113 : âLeft with only the clothes we were wearing, we were all asked to leave the villa.â
Kate and Gerry will have chosen to leave the villa, as the search warrant states âmentioning that they can be present during the search and be accompanied or substituted by someone of confidence will be delivered.â
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DOGS_INSPECTION.htm#
Page 219/120 : âDid they really believe that a dog could smell the âodour of deathâ three months later from a body that had been removed so swiftly?â
While Kate is correct in that it takes time for chemical reactions to produce the âodour of deathâ that a cadaver dog would detect (90 minutes or less depending on local conditions) , there is no record of any suggestion that the body had been removed swiftly. Only Kate that has put forward this scenario.
Page 243/134 : âThen came the best bit. My lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu announced what police had proposed. If we, or rather I, admitted that Madeleine had died in an accident in the apartment, and confessed to having hidden and disposed of her body, the sentence Iâd receive would be much more lenient: only two years, he said, as opposed to what Iâd be looking at if I ended up being charged with homicide.â
This differs from the statement Philomena McCann gave to the press the next day, in a couple of ways.âThey tried to get her to confess to having accidentally killed Madeleine by offering her a deal through her lawyer â âif you say you killed Madeleine by accident and then hid her and disposed of the body, then we can guarantee you a two-year jail sentence or even lessâ.â . Firstly the book makes no mention of Kate [accidentally] killing Madeleine, and secondly thereâs no mention of any sort of deal either (the concept of the âplea bargainâ, as seen in many an American court-room drama, does not exist in Portugal). It sounds like, having given the family the âgreen light to voice their outrageâ, Kate is now backtracking in the book.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/sep/07/ukcrime.madeleinemccann
Page 328/182 : âJaneâs description had not been released to the public before the Irish witnesses made their statements), I am staggered by how alike they are, almost identical in parts.â
âAlmost identical in partsâ maybe, but the Smiths describe the skin colour as ânormalâ whilst Jane describes her sighting as âdark skinnedâ. Also the Smiths all describe the hair as short and brown or light-brown, while Jane Tanner describes it as âlong at the neckâ and âvery darkâ.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post534.html#p534
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post412.html#p412
Page 328/182 : âAs a lawyer once said to me, apropos another matter, âOne coincidence, two coincidences â maybe theyâre still coincidences. Any more than that and it stops being coincidence.'â
Coincidentally, the cadaver and blood dogs only signalled at various locations relating to the McCanns despite being also presented with a variety of locations relating to their friends and Robert Murat.
Coincidentally the only couple not at the Paraiso Restaurant on May 3rd were the only couple to report their child missing that evening.
Coincidentally the only evening during the week that a parent did a visual check of children that werenât their own was by Matthew Oldfield on the evening Madeleine disappeared, and coincidentally in doing so, he did not check the one McCann child that was missing.
Credits : The above points were initially compiled over several months by members of The Maddie Case Files forum.